Since the recent SCOTUS decisions, are you more inclined to move to Europe?

  • Since the recent SCOTUS decisions, are you more inclined to move to Europe?

    Posted by Mark Goldstein on July 2, 2023 at 6:18 AM

    This week SCOTUS has ruled against Affirmative Action, LGBTQ + rights, and against the relieving student loan debt.

    This is a major setback for Americans, on top of gun violence, abortion, etc.

    Do these issues make you more inclined to move to Europe, or stay in the United States and fight for your rights.

    I am getting no younger, and retirement is getting close. Quite frankly, I’m tired of fighting, but due to healthcare concerns, I am more inclined to stay here in the US.

    What about you?

    Mark Goldstein replied 8 months ago 3 Members · 6 Replies
  • 6 Replies
  • Bill Seattle

    Member
    July 2, 2023 at 2:01 PM

    I didn’t realize you were reconsidering your move overseas. On LGBT issues, the U.S. has come a long way much faster than I ever dreamed. I really thought we had entered a new era of acceptance, even among conservatives, but we’re clearly in the backlash phase.

    I think Europe (in general) has a higher quality of life than the U.S. I totally understand the appeal, although I think some prospective expats have romanticized, unrealistic notions (e.g., living in a charming village). I came very, very close to relocating to Spain a couple of years ago.

    We each have our relocation window of opportunity. Once major health issues surface, I’d say the window has closed. But that wasn’t my issue. It was the financial risk that ended up deterring me.

    • Mark Goldstein

      Organizer
      July 2, 2023 at 9:38 PM

      Moving to another country is a huge move. Although we are keeping our options open, we think we will stay here in Phoenix and travel when I retire. As I said before, healthcare is a concern abroad as they don’t cover pre-existing conditions.

      If Trump or any other Republican got elected, money can’t buy freedom and equality. I would consider moving to Spain.

      • Bill Seattle

        Member
        July 2, 2023 at 10:25 PM

        Believe me, I understand. I’m not at all optimistic about the U.S. Have you been following Spanish politics, though? Some scary trends there too. The far-right, anti-LGBT, anti-female party Vox surfaced a few years ago and now has a lock on about 15% of the population. Polls indicate the next government (the election is in three weeks) will likely be a coalition between the conservative Partido Popular and Vox.

        • Mark Goldstein

          Organizer
          July 3, 2023 at 4:51 AM

          Yes, we are watching that closely too. The same thing we are going through can happen anywhere.

  • Nadia Aityata

    Member
    July 2, 2023 at 2:32 PM

    I am still highly motivated to move back to Europe upon retirement, that was always the plan no matter who sat in the WH or SCOTUS’ rulings. The latest ruling by SCOTUS confirms it might get worse for members of the LGBTQ+ community, and we all know what happened a year ago as to its ruling re. abortions. The war against women and LGBTQ+ is on (has been on for some time), I cannot foresee an immediate bright future. I am not delusional, there is no perfect country but I still think it’s a bit better/stable in many countries in Europe. I recall the sick feelings I had after the 2016 election and thereafter (the verbal attack on Anna in NYC), I fear the worse for the 2024 elections. I will fight but may need to do it from afar.

    • Mark Goldstein

      Organizer
      July 2, 2023 at 9:41 PM

      Nadia – I totally understand. Time will tell. It does look dismal right now.

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